The ‘incorrectly’ recorded graves – part 1
In researching the Sherwood Forester’s (Notts and Derby) attack on Hohenzollern Redoubt as part of the 46th North Midland Division attack on Fosse 8 there is an interesting little puzzle.
During the 13th to 15th October the 1/5th, 1/6th, 1/7th and 1/8th Battalions of the 139th Notts & Derby Brigade suffered approximately 110 men killed, the vast majority of which don’t have a known grave and are commemorated on the Loos Memorial. See here Sherwood Oct_Dec 1915.
The 1/7th Battalion (Robin Hoods) is a good example:-
- On the 13th October they were ordered to the Hohenzollern Redoubt and had 43 Officers and men killed; 36 have no known grave.
- Of the other 7 men, all these seem to be post war reburials in various cemeteries around the Loos area.
- The Army Form B.103 “Casualty Form – Active Service” records the location of the graves of 17 Robin Hoods (all listed on the Loos Memorial) as 36 A.28.C.8.4.
- This places the burial site near ‘Mad Point’ and this remained in German hands during the entire battle of Loos
- In addition the remains of 3 of the men that were buried at A.28.C.8.4 were subsequently reburied in other cemeteries after the War.
The ‘incorrectly’ recorded graves – part 2
1376 Seargent William Alexander Daniel
In March 1923, Mrs Bates (William Daniel’s Aunt) writes to the War Office asking for more information on where Alex Daniel’s grave is located since she is visiting France in June and wished to visit the grave.
She receives two responses:-
This is supported by a note in his record that states:-
“place of burial, Cemetery Vermelles, Bethune Combined Sheets No 36.A.28.C.8.4.”However, the body of Alexander William Daniel was not recovered after the War and he is Commemorated on the Loos Memorial.
Burials in the Redoubt
Many burials are know to have occurred in the Redoubt itself, but there are few written records.
755 Cpl. Harry Betts of the Robin Hood Rifles was recorded as buried “10 paces right of signallers dugout Hohenzollern Redoubt”, however his body was not recovered after the War and he is Commemorated on the Loos Memorial.
Caberet-Rouge British Cemetery at Souchez
Thirty men of the 46th North Midland Division who were killed in action between 12th-14th of October are buried in Caberet-Rouge British Cemetery at Souchez. These men are all buried in Plots started after the Armistice and are almost certainly re-enternments.
- Plot VII – 1 man
- Plot VIII – 1 man
- Plot XII – 1 man reburied in October 1923
- Plot XIV – 1 man
- Plot XVII – 2 men (F45 & F47) reburied in April 1925
- Plot XVIII – 7 men reburied in April 1925
- Plot XX – 3 men
- Plot XXI – 2 men reburied in April 1925
- Plot XXIX – 1 man
- Plot XXVI – 1 man
- Plot XXVII – 2 men
- Plot XXVII – 7 men (some reburied from D.2.7.)
- Plot XXX – 2 men
- Plot XXXI – 2 men
Full list of men here Cabaret Rouge NMD
1866 L/Cpl. James William Whiles (1/7th Battalion) was recovered from map reference 44.A.G.4.D.25.70 (information from CWGC – courtesy of Chris @ Great War Forum). However, his Casualty Form – Active Service records the incorrect map reference A.28.C.8.4.Envelope containing the very corroded remains of James While’s identity disc; however, this was sufficient to identify his body, which was subsequently reinterred.
2153 Pte. Samuel Benjamin Smith (1/8th Battalion) was reburied from reference 44.A.G.4.D.30.65 (information from CWGC – courtesy of Chris @ Great War Forum).Eye witness report by 2162 GR Carr stating that he did not see Samuel Smith after the Battalion had commenced the attack on the Hohenzollern Redoubt.
Army Form B. 104 – 126 informing Mr Benstead of Lower Sandacre Street in Leicester that the identify disc from his son 1579 Pte. A W Benstead of the 1/4th Leicesters is being returned to his family. In his response Mr Benstead is pleased to hear that his son’s body has been found.
A letter from the War Office in 1925 to Mrs Jones informing her that the body of her son 3954 Pte. TH Jones of the 1/5th North Staffs has been exhumed and been re-buried in CABARET-ROUGE Cemetery. In her response Mrs Jones asks for the ground sheet that he was originally buried in and for details of the Cemetery so that she may one day visit his grave.
Casualty Form – Active Service for 3458 John Henry Ford of the 1/6th North Staffs recoding his burial at about G.4.D.3.5. ‘near old Britsh Trench line’ by the 2nd Grenadier Guards. John Ford’s body was eventually recovered and he is now buried in CABARET-ROUGE Cemetery.
Casualty Form – Active Service for 1607 Pte. John William Walton of the 1/4th Leicesters showing his burial by the 4th Grenadier Guards and recorded by the Graves Registration Commission. John Walton’s body was eventually recovered and he is now buried in CABARET-ROUGE Cemetery.
Casualty Form – Active Service for 2233 Pte. Breeze of the 1/4th Leicesters showing his burial by the 4th Grenadier Guards and recorded by the Graves Registration Commission. John Walton’s body was eventually recovered and he is now buried in CABARET-ROUGE Cemetery.
The cemetery was begun in August 1915 and during the Battle of Loos when the Chateau was used as a dressing station,Fifteen men of the 46th North Midland Division are buried in Vermelles British Cemetery in Plots I and IV. See here Vermelles 2.
- Plot I was completed in 1915 and therefore most likely contains original burials.
- Plot IV contains the graves of four men from the Staffordshire Brigade whose bodies were recovered after the War.
Despite being buried at the time and their graves recorded on burial reports, the bodies of numerous men were not recovered or identified after the war and there names are now commemorated on the Loos Memorial to the missing.
Below are several such examples of men whose graves are now lost:-